The Zoor situation

Since this instance is so problematic, and many bans were served, I am going to write up a quick post on what happened, and the relative context with the rules.

As far as we are concerned, account hacking is not an issue to us. We are not Minecraft account police. If somene’s account gets hacked, we will not punish the hacker. We will only punish the hacker if he then starts actively breaking the rules, like griefing and faction disbanding, which is exactly what happened.

Phoenix_flare unclaimed all land owned by Zoor, causing one it’s prominent enemies to gather an army of griefers to destroy it. The excuse ushered was that this land was now wilderness, and since we take a lighter stance on wilderness griefing lately, it would be okay. This may be true, but this sort of behavior is not acceptable. All forms of griefing are still subject to rule #1. If your griefing is meant to disrupt or annoy other players, admins can and will still ban you for this behavior.

So remember, even though land is in the wilderness, any and all touching of blocks not belonging to yourself can still be subject to rule #1, if you are unsure about the concerquences of your actions, ask an administrator or moderator before doing it. Don’t be that guy

30 Comments

Bsavs 2012-06-25 at 03:04

Wilderness griefing is typically only a 1 day ban. Unless your stance on it differs from other mods?
- DaSupahNinja 2012-06-25 at 03:27
  
  I agree with Bsavs, I was confused on why my friend hamcheese35 was permabanned, I understand he was banned for 10 days before, but if Wilderness griefing is only for 1 day, 10 days to permanent is a pretty big jump..
- MonMarty 2012-06-25 at 10:54
  
  It seems neither of you read the post correctly, read again and then rethink what it means.
  - DaSupahNinja 2012-06-28 at 01:22
    
    We both read the post, I understand that griefing of any kind results to rule number 1, and griefing wilderness is a 1 day ban. I had a old sand castle in the wilderness and one day it got griefed beyond regognition. The person that griefed it no longer plays on the server but was only banned for 1-2 days. Again, bringing back the topic to hamcheese35, from what he gave back to Zoor, he griefed black wool. This was not the right choice to make but was small and easily fixable, and it was fixed, all the materials were returned. I think the right choice would be to ban him for a longer time than before, this being his second time banned. Forever is just plain horrible, and is meant for the jerks who swear and make inapropriate jokes in global exposing things to the youth of the server. Not for people that destroy black wool.
    - Madman1011 2012-06-28 at 01:31
      
      I agree, a remember one of the elders saying something along the lines of wilderness is as heavily punished greifing as in faction, and plus hamcheese gave back the wool, so there isnt really a point in a perma-ban, maybe just another 10 day ban
      - chinawarrior1235 2012-06-28 at 21:52
        
        I’m defending hamcheese35. I don’t think it’s right to permanently ban someone for griefing from wilderness. The admins of this server have set some standards in terms of rules. The standard for griefing the wilderness is a one day ban, no tforever. We all think you should pardon hamcheese35 because he is not guilty of the magnitudes of the crimes he was charged for.
        YAY
    - JohhnyDamage 2012-07-01 at 15:36
      
      Fitting punishment. This was never built in the wilderness. This was illegally FORCED into wilderness.
      
      Punishment fits.
choco0 2012-06-25 at 05:31

(I didn’t know where to put this so I just put it here) The faction rogues claimed land from my faction (Empirica), then griefed it and unclaimed some of it.
eololar 2012-06-25 at 05:55

DwarfFort had many enemies and got powerclaimed alot.
watch out for the faction: ”EvilOnes” they claimed our mountain ceardia dwarf mountain :(
Hazz 2012-06-25 at 14:57

Hey Marty, my ban went from 4 days to 7 days, does it increase when you try to log in?
madus 2012-06-27 at 18:43

My friend got perma banned for grief. Ban is okay but do it for 50 days or something. Forevers is not fun
- JohhnyDamage 2012-07-01 at 15:35
  
  Getting your things griefed isn’t fun either.
  - madus 2012-07-03 at 19:55
    
    but he don’t know what he griefed. and teach him a lesson 50 days is long. so i think instead of permaban do it for 50-60 days. i do really think about if i got banned just 10 days.
ItzPinata 2012-06-27 at 21:24

I really don’t feel sorry for those who where banned. It was the next appropriate thing to do to them.
- chinawarrior1235 2012-06-29 at 01:51
  
  You say that because you weren’t banned for an excessive amount of time based on the crime they committed.
  - JohhnyDamage 2012-07-01 at 15:38
    
    But the punishment fit the crime.
    
    They didn’t just destroy a building that was built in the wild.
    
    They forced a building in the wild with the intention of griefing it.
Hazz 2012-06-29 at 01:33

Please answer, I’m afraid of trying to log in again :S
outsiderx2 2012-06-30 at 01:06

As with all rules there needs to be a standard set and that is understood by ALL the people who are able to enforce it. It shouldn’t change from person to person or be based on that persons mood that day. I understand griefing is huge problem sometimes but my faction has had many instances of griefing. We asked the person to return the stuff, if they didn’t we kicked them, warned other factions and moved on. All I’m saying is there needs to be a standard, and the players need to learn of what constitutes “major” and “minor” griefing.
Mecharic 2012-06-30 at 11:08

I think that the ban they got is the ban they deserved. They wiped out an entire faction’s hard work. If such a thing happened to Osion I would probably just leave the server. It’s not like they were greifing a little dirt house or sandcastle that was made in boredome or for fun, they griefed a faction base, taking advantage of a troll trolling around. That should be looked at in the same manner of someone griefing territory owned by a faction.

And for the record, I have been banned for griefing, so I know how annoying it can be.
MonMarty 2012-06-30 at 17:57

I don’t see where any of you get the idea that a wilderness grief is a 1 day ban, that makes no sense and has not been enacted for months now, I have personally seen Igel_son ban people for weeks for massive griefing, even in the wilderness.

We do not standardize bans simply because everyone offence is diffrent and the degree of griefing differs greatly. It seems alot of people who posted here defending hamcheese35 don’t know anything of what actually happened, so I would have to respectfully ask these people to not talk before they actually know what happened, here is what happened:

Phoenix_flare, the alt account of Phoenix_Reborn was hacked by some person who used a phisher on him. This person came on the server and proceeded to grief the base of Zoor. Somehow he contacted Hamcheese35 which was in the vincinity and they made up a plan to make phoenix_reborn pay for supposedly hacking the actual account Phoenix_flare which was a lie. Now comes the part where hamcheese35 was banned so long for. Hamcheese35 summoned his allies in allied chat, telling them to bring lava and pickaxes because they were going to grief the base. The hacked Phoenix_flare unclaimed the ENTIRE of zoor and Hamcheese35 and his allies started chopping away at anything of value and pouring lava all over the castle. This wasn’t a simple wilderness grief, this was a targeted acknowledged grief attack on a faction, where hamcheese35 both encouraged and summoned others to grief. Taxconsumption was the only person there who told them to stop, and they completely ignored him and told him it was legal.

If any of you at this point still think this was unfair, consider the following: A person unclaims all your faction land and then destroys anything of value, while also pouring lava over what is left. Do you still think a 1 day ban is sufficient to punish this person? Do you think this is justice?

Don’t speak before you know the details, you will only embarass yourself.
- DaSupahNinja 2012-07-01 at 19:24
  
  We never said that they should be banned for 1 day xD that is ridiculous. The should be banned for atleast 7 or more days especially if they did not return the material they destroyed. And no, I dont think 1 day ban is justice for this.
- madus 2012-07-03 at 19:59
  
  perma ban is long. make it 60 days. i personally learn t if i got banned 60 days. and i undetstand why he got banned more than one day. but hwo can you know he said it to allies
- madus 2012-07-03 at 20:01
  
  but as myself i could grief wilderness buildings. cause mostly just think is is a left city no one cares over
Phoenix_R3born 2012-07-01 at 00:56

Phoenix_Flare is no longer under my control as the hacker has changed the email and all information ever linking to the account proving that it was mine. Hamcheese35 and I have made-up and I myself request that he is unbanned.
- JohhnyDamage 2012-07-01 at 15:41
  
  If I burn down a building, go to jail, then the owner forgives me that doesn’t erase the crime.
  
  I’d still have to serve my jail sentence.
  - hamcheese35 2012-07-01 at 20:31
    
    Johhny, it’s not just because he forgives me, he thinks I don’t deserve a permaban. Mon’s decision is final. Stop trying to change it.
    - JohhnyDamage 2012-07-01 at 21:18
      
      How am I trying to change the punishment, by agreeing with it?
      - hamcheese35 2012-07-02 at 04:27
        
        ^ I did not post that. I don’t know who did. Just ignore whoever said that. But whoever did is right, stop trying to keep me banned xD
Branduhn 2012-07-08 at 06:20

Now, I was in Zoor, Hamcheese stole over 3 stacks of black wool, we got 1 back, and some items were still missing, well most of it, I think hamcheese was respectfully banned, and it had a reason.
Branduhn 2012-07-08 at 06:23

But i still dont tihnk he had to be PERM banned, maybe at least a week or 2